The conversation begins with us looking at the cool t-shirt Jay bought me for last bday that I was planning on wearing during our conversation, but I decided to do yardwork in July just before recording... It's a shirt with a bent spoon with the quote, "There is no spoon..." So, we reflect on the allusion to The Matrix's allegorical reference to "the spoon" and what is real. After all, we live in a time where everyone is questioning every thing...