Rick Hess, director of AEI's education policy studies, and Pedro Noguera, dean of the USC Rossier School of Education, kick off their new podcast with a reflection on the value of reasonable, civil debate with people you disagree with and on what prevents such debates from happening more often nowadays. Their discussion covers high-stakes testing, school reopening, accountability, personal responsibility, and more.

Learn more about Rick and Pedro's new book, A Search for Common Ground: Conversations About the Toughest Questions in K-12 Education.