In his National Conference Plenary, "There Are Worlds and There Are Worlds," John Hodges brought us into the interplay between the seen and the unseen. The topic was too rich for a single session, so Brandon sat down with him to dive deeper into the waters. You can find John’s talk in which he takes the audience through the music of The Firebird as well as other conference audio at https://www.patreon.com/circeconference

To learn more about John’s work at The Center for Western Studies please visit: https://www.centerws.com/.

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