If the latest trailer is any indication, next year’s “The Batman” movie will be the most brutal and gritty film in the franchise’s history. At a time when people around the world are protesting against police brutality and advocating for criminal justice reform, we’re debating — when the people take on the police, whose side would Batman take?

In this episode:

Casey Michel (@cjcmichel) writer, analyst, and investigative journalist; Sean Kelly (@StorySlug), a freelance writer in St. Louis, Missouri

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