What if the problem isn’t just Christian music…

What if it’s how we think about church?

In Part Two of JD’s conversation with Jeff Brown (former worship pastor), the discussion moves from the “cheese factor” in Christian music to something deeper: the assumptions underneath how we do church.

We reference ideas from the Verlon Fosner episode, wrestle with voices like John Cooper and A.J. Swoboda, and ask an uncomfortable question:

Are “Christian” and “worship” automatically good adjectives?

We talk about:

• When labels become shortcuts instead of substance

• Why simplicity sometimes becomes shallowness

• The tension between clarity and complexity

• Sitting with the grey instead of demanding black-and-white answers

• Why humility and curiosity may be more Christlike than certainty

This isn’t deconstruction for sport.
It’s an invitation to grow up in our faith.

If you care about worship, church culture, and doing things with more depth and integrity — this conversation is for you.

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