In this episode of Matters of Consequence, Michael Hanf speaks with Clover Hogan, climate activist and founder of Force of Nature.

The conversation explores climate anxiety, not as something to be fixed or pushed away, but as a response to paying attention. They talk about what it means to care deeply without burning out, and how people turn concern into action when the scale of the problem feels overwhelming.

They discuss activism beyond slogans and protest, focusing instead on discomfort, responsibility, and speaking up inside systems that are slow to change. The episode also touches on the role of young people, moral clarity, and what happens when that clarity collides with institutions designed to maintain the status quo.

A conversation about anxiety, action, and what it takes to hold both at the same time.

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