You’re in your 40s and you can’t shake it—you should be further along by now. In your career. In your impact. You’ve worked hard, but you’re stagnant. Plateaued. And you can’t stop fixating on that gap between where you are and where you thought you’d be.

Here’s what that fixation is actually costing you: while you’re obsessing over what you haven’t achieved at work, you’re missing your daughter at the dinner table trying to tell you she got hurt at school. Your wife needs you present, but your mind is somewhere else. You’re on that mountain bike ride or in the surf, but you can’t even enjoy it because you’re consumed by what you’re not accomplishing.

Marc gets raw about his own struggle at 49—feeling stuck and how that FOMO around his career created a calloused, distant version of himself with the people he loves most. Joel breaks down the four quarters of life and why everything shifts in the third quarter. They talk about perfectionism, chronic dissatisfaction, and how guys trap themselves in cycles they don’t even realize they’re in.

Then they introduce “the gap vs. the gain”—and it reframes everything about where you’re looking and what actually matters.

If your work FOMO is stealing your most precious relationships—this conversation might show you the way out.