Its just Des and Katie for this ep chatting about a good few topics. First they have a quick chat about whether you need to text after a few dates if both of you don't seem to bothered. We chat about how many dates can you go on before you tell a guy that really you just want to be friends. We also have a quick chat that we want to return to about masculinity and what is toxic masculinity, Finally we chat about the shame around not wanting to have kids.

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