In this episode, Allan Alford plays Devil's advocate - challenging the practitioner community to refute the idea that we should quit trying to make the organization care and simply make suggestions and accept the organization's level of risk tolerance.

Allan posted this topic on LinkedIn and it created quite a buzz. The show features quotes from Simon Goldsmith, Kevin Pope, Malcolm Harkins, and others.

Listen to hear a deconstruction of this position, and hear some great arguments both for and against it. We'll give away the ending - the argument is ultimately refuted - but it is a great thought exercise and a wonderful journey getting to that conclusion. Hint: The show's ending is more apt than ever: "Ya'll be good now!"

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