There's been a lot of talk in Andrea and Niall's circles this week about the ethics of having a Spotify account in the wake of the Joe Rogan / Neil Young flareup.So we thought we'd finally get one of our old pals, Liz Pelly, a NYC writer who has written extensively about Spotify and streaming issues in recent years on to discuss the ethics, morality of the issues that people are talking about while looking at alternative models and services for streaming and Spotify.Why did it take a celebrity podcaster paid by Spotify touting misinformation for this to happen? Why wasn't the long-held issue of small royalty payments by streaming services a greater factor? We look at whether the streaming model is actually sustainable, user-centric payment systems (supported by Deezer) vs pooling, platforms such as Resonate, Bandcamp and how public libraries might point the way forward. Plus a mention for Irish streaming service MINM.Listen to the episode below or subscribe in your favourite podcast app:Subscribe in Apple | Android | ACAST | Pocketcasts | CastBox | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS FeedEpisode notes / referencesMusic on this week's show: JarjarJr - 'Boost'Socialized Streaming: A case for universal music access, Real Life, Liz PellyLibrary Music: Public libraries offer small-scale streaming alternatives for local archiving, The Broadcast, Liz PellyPodcast Overlords: Spotify only works for the stars, The Baffler, Liz PellySongs played on the Nialler9 Podcast Spotify PlaylistSupport Nialler9 on Patreon and join our Discord chat + member playlists & content.Andrea has a Ghost newsletterAndrea's own podcast - My Favourite AlbumSubscribe to the podcast and please leave a review on iTunes, tell your friends or commit to supporting us directly. Support us on Patreon.Previous podcast episodes