A recording of the debate on the surveillance state between Vince and Ian Williams at the Wimbledon Festival. Ian Williams is author of ‘Every Breath You Take: China's New Tyranny’, featured in The Times and The Sunday Times.

Interested in learning more? Vince’s new book ‘The Chinese Conundrum: Engagement or Conflict’ is available to buy online or from your local bookstore. Amazon, Bloomsbury, Waterstones, WHSmiths.

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