Carl Thomas wrote a book called When Shame Gets Real: A new way to talk about sex, , and masturbation and so together we delve into why he wrote this book on  sexual shame? He believes that may things need to change in this culture and has some strong feelings that if we can can’t change the conversations about sex and sexuality in our culture, our families, and our churches we won't see things improving in regards to the epidemic of use and sexual brokenness in our society. This is the real and intimate conversation with the man, his addiction and how it impacted everyone whom he shared his life.