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Can art help us understand evil—and still lead us to joy?

This week, Pastor Nathan and Pastor Matt sit down with bestselling author and Daily Wire host Andrew Klavan to talk about his powerful new book, The Kingdom of Cain. Together, they dive deep into:

• Why great art has always dealt with murder, darkness, and sin
• How beauty points us toward God, even in sad or terrifying stories
• Why Christian storytelling often misses the mark
• How to rejoice in a broken world without retreating from it

This episode will challenge your assumptions, sharpen your discernment, and remind you that truth, beauty, and joy still matter—especially in the darkest places.

📘 The Kingdom of Cain releases May 6 — Pre-order Here

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