More and more churches are being exposed for toxic leadership, burnout, and unhealthy staff culture — but is this really what ministry was meant to be?

In this short trailer, I’ll share why I created Beyond the Numbers — a podcast for pastors, leaders, and church staff who are ready to pursue health, not hype.

Episode 1 drops Sept 10th

Subscribe now and join me as we rediscover what ministry can look like beyond just the numbers.