Ep 1. Is this normal, or is this healthy

Is the way we’re doing ministry actually healthy—or just what we’ve come to accept as normal?

In this first episode of Beyond the Numbers, we unpack how many pastors and church leaders settle into rhythms that look successful on the outside but leave them exhausted, isolated, or discouraged. We’ll ask:

• What does real ministry health look like?

• How do we break out of unhealthy "normal" cycles?

• What small shifts can make a big difference?

Whether you're a ministry veteran or just starting out, this conversation will give you language, clarity, and hope for a more sustainable way forward.

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