At the end of March, Trump signed an executive order essentially repealing Obama’s Clean Power Plan, and introduced an EPA budget that would decimate the bureau. We speak with the Environmental Defense Fund’s Lindi von Mutius and Jezebel’s Ellie Shechet to learn about what our world will look like under the control of climate change deniers.

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