A discussion on the crises in the Church and world with TLMRyan & Michael Naaden, and how to fix it while being more hopeful and less divided when we all have different models of the crisis, which originally aired on Michael Naaden’s channel and which Stephen Kokx shouted out in his discussion yesterday with The Catholic Esquire.TLM_Ryan is on X at @TLM_Ryan and on YouTube at Pre-Conciliar Radio. He recently appeared on Avoiding Babylon. Michael Naaden is a sedevacantist liturgical scholar and comedian, and is on X at @realsedepicante and on YouTube.Timestamps* 00:00 Introductions* 3:45 Is it productive for Catholics to debate each other?* 7:55 Should traditionalists “check out” from the chaos?* 14:56 Do popesplainers even believe themselves?* 17:18 Is Trad-Inc a real thing? Are people self-censoring and why?* 34:18 Should laity make Catholic content, or are they displacing the clergy?* 39:28 What is the “recognize and resist” position?* 48:02 Are traditionalists blackpilling too much? * 55:07 What is the plan to fix the crisis? Is waiting it out a plan?* 1:11:13 When does traditionalism become too political?* 1:23:44 How are we not all just being Protestants?Related and Referenced Articles Notes:Michael and TLM_Ryan are quite a bit more pessimistic on the outlook, but I would also encourage checking out Dr. Kwasniewski’s wise words on the subject of the crisis and how solutions require building up personal piety regardless of the overall nature of crises at large:

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