Meredith Danberg-Ficarelli and Laura Rosenshine, co-founders of WATS, join Garr and co-host Sabira to make the case that commercial waste is the last unmetered utility — and what happens when you finally turn the lights on in the back of the house. The conversation moves from the broken trust between tenants and janitorial teams, to why diversion rate may be the wrong scoreboard, to the looming wave of packaging regulation. It's a practitioner's-eye view of an industry that hasn't fundamentally changed in decades and is now being forced to. If you manage waste for a building, a portfolio, or a brand, this one reframes the whole problem.