More than 99 percent of the territory the Islamic State once held in Iraq and Syria is gone — but the United States government may be misunderstanding what that means. Guest: Rukmini Callimachi, who covers terrorism and the Islamic State for The New York Times, spoke with us from Iraq. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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