What will it take to defeat Hamas inside one of the most densely populated place on earth? A long war. That’s the warning from Israel’s leaders.

As Israeli forces take the fight deeper inside Gaza, Lyse is joined by the BBC’s defence correspondent to discuss the strategy for a risky ground war that means more casualties among Israeli soldiers and Palestinian civilians.

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This episode was made by Daniel Wittenberg with Alex Lederman in Jerusalem and Alex Collins in London. The studio manager was Gareth Jones. The senior news editor was Sam Bonham.