Welcome to “It Can be Messy . . . on the way to becoming a faith-filled family.” Join us, Jen Leslie and Jan, as we talk about how to navigate the crazy place that parenting is these days while also trying to help our kids know and love God. 

Jen shares a story of the mess on the door to her basement, that inspired the name of our podcast. We hope that our conversations inspire you, make you laugh, and encourage you that we are all in this together. We would love to hear from you.