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Part of the reason we remember an egoless place is because we come from an egoless place. So, were not discovering this dimension we’re actually remembering it. This suggests that truly spiritual people have a pre-thought memory of being there and want to return. In contrast, religious people define their spirituality as a place where the ego lives. Once forgiven they get to keep their egos —even in death. Tune and as Irma Francis and I discuss a unique distinction between the psychology of secular and non-secular spirituality.