<p>John Shaw, Director of the Southern Illinois University Carbondale Paul Simon Institute for Public Policy joins Debbie and Megan talking about aid to Ukraine and border security. </p>

John Shaw, Director of the Southern Illinois University Carbondale Paul Simon Institute for Public Policy joins Debbie and Megan talking about aid to Ukraine and border security.

<p>John Shaw, Director of the Southern Illinois University Carbondale Paul Simon Institute for Public Policy joins Debbie and Megan talking about aid to Ukraine and border security.&nbsp;</p>

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It would be devastating for US image around world if Ukraine aid is held up

It would be devastating for US image around world if Ukraine aid is held up