In their second episode, Jonathan Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella-Marie Smith welcome fellow Global Finance colleague Jason Rozes to the podcast to share the latest sustainability trends impacting commercial real estate, from a discussion on the evolution of key terminology to the potential impact of the (yet-to be published) SEC climate risk disclosure rules, and a definition of CPACE that only a mother could love. The group also discusses the short-term and long-term effects of dealing with U.S. debt ceiling clashes.