In this episode, Andrew and John enjoy milk and cookies. We're opening up the Mag Pod archive for an episode recorded back in October 2021. We talked with Shadow Producer Jason (Unoriginal Vinyl) about the Colorado industrial band Rackets & Drapes as well as gothic metal band Saviour Machine. Jason gets personal and shares his story and how these bands fit into it. Conversation starts at 3:08. A few show notes: Jason is doing a visual bit at the beginning of our conversation so you won't hear him talk for about the first 40 seconds. At 1:12:12 you will hear an audio transition because our Zoom crashed, so we just jump back into the conversation. This conversation is also largely unedited. Enjoy.