In this episode, Andrew and John get granular. Joining the pod this week is Brandon Vedder. He’s an award winning filmmaker known for his music videos, documentaries, and narrative films. In 2019 his documentary, Strange Negotiations, about David Bazan premiered at SXSW to critical acclaim. We talk about how he pitched the documentary idea to Dave, what it was like being on the road for the house shows, filming things by himself, youth group culture, and why he will always be interested in making films about religion. Then, Andrew and John rank the Pedro the Lion records and create their perfect Bazan set lists. Interview begins at 2:00, and the album rankings begin at 1:44:45.