Too many church leaders look at growing churches in their community as if they were the enemy ... or as if there was some secret sauce, a magical spell, or a potent pill that made the growth happen. "What do they have that we don't have?" Believe it or not, it's not the smoke machine, rock band, and youth group that's growing that church. In almost all of those churches, it's something completely different. In this episode, Drs. Kris and Bill look at the basics of what it takes to grow a church today.