In this episode, Matt and Des Gonzales have a conversation with Matt's brothers Jordan and Jeremy Gonzales. They have a raw and real conversation about dealing with bad experiences with church leadership and how they have been able to keep there love on towards the church and not become cynical and operate from pain.

 

QUICK EPISODE SUMMARY:

• What to expect today
• Honest stories of church hurt
• The danger of having a chip in your shoulder
• The mark of a reformer
• You have the permission of heaven
• What healthy deconstruction looks like
• Des's prophetic dream about leadership
• There isn't a 10 step process to this
• Stepping out of an offense
• Don't look at your past