Things got messy on live TV — and we love it. In this episode, Charles revisits the infamous 1976 Sex Pistols interview with Bill Grundy, where Britain collectively clutched its pearls while punk officially announced itself to the world. Lisa brings the chaos stateside with the story of Jello Biafra and Tipper Gore going head-to-head on Oprah, turning daytime TV into a punk rock cage match over censorship, free speech, and the future of music. It’s spit, swears, and suburban moms fainting — just another day on Jackalope Tales. [Ep 104]

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Produced by: Charles Mooney

Original Music by: Charles Mooney and Lisa Umbarger

Kazoo Solo by: Courtney Mooney