“As a young architect, I hated photographs where you saw people. And now I hate photographs where you don’t see people,” Jacques Herzog says. Throughout the last three decades, Herzog and Pierre de Meuron have designed some of today’s best-known buildings and museums, including London’s Tate Modern and Hong Kong’s M+ museum. In this episode, Herzog speaks about the development of architecture over the last 30 years, what it was like to collaborate with Ai Weiwei and Miuccia Prada, his early fascination with artists like Joseph Beuys and Donald Judd, and if the era of the starchitect has come to a close.