We descend in this episode - a bit more into the weight and the dark. Recorded around the time of George Floyd's death, we cover topics such as where the hell did this all start to go wrong? The recognition that whiteness can be weaponised. The differences between the US and the UK in terms of racism - and whether there really are any. Julia commits one of the big white faux pas things - which is asking the black woman to tell her what to do about it all. Bernadette adds provocation as always. And Chas graces everyone with the depth of the primal scream she feels around all this. It is a meaty one.