Jake Goldbas is a new father. Jake talks to Kai about what got him to start drumming (12:20), what not making it to his high school jazz band freshman year taught him (16:48), and what he thinks about the movie, “Whiplash” (28:38). They also talk about the importance of doubt in pursuing one’s goals and how reaching those goals changes one’s outlook (36), and how his working relationship with Michael Blume has developed over time (45:10).