This podcast is a bit different from most of those we have done in the past. Marcia and I start with a brief introduction, talking about how we first met with Dr. James Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, and his wife Shirley back in February of 1990 at a conference in Phoenix, AZ. At the time, I was a Probate-Juvenile Court Judge here in Kent County (greater Grand Rapids area) Michigan. His team had invited us to resign our judgeship and become the founding Executive Director of Michigan Family Forum, which was connected to Focus on the Family that Jim was head of at the time.

But, before Marcia and I could feel comfortable with that major career change, we sensed we needed to talk directly to Jim himself, so this meeting was set up.

Bottom line, we were very impressed with Jim and Shirley's hearts, and they were likewise touched by our view of family and children. So much so that Jim invited Marcia and me to be guests on his daily radio program. So, in April of 1990, we took our whole family—Marcia and me and our 10 kids—to Southern California to be interviewed. We had a blast. And the two programs we recorded ultimately impacted scores, if not hundreds or even thousands, of families around the world, especially about the challenging area of making Jesus the Lord of our family size.

Note: because the program with Jim was for the radio, after Marcia and I give a brief intro in this podcast, most of the rest of what you will experience will be audio, not video. But, regardless, I'm quite sure that what is said will still touch your heart and life as it continues to touch ours even as we listen again. ALL glory to God alone!