This is Part 2 of a podcast that is a bit different from most of those we have done in the past. As we did in Part 1, Marcia and I start with a brief introduction, talking about how we first met with Dr. James Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, and his wife Shirley back in February of 1990 at a conference in Phoenix, AZ. After a very warm and friendly breakfast together, Jim invited Marcia and me to be guests on his daily radio program. So, in April of 1990, we took our whole family—Marcia and me and our 10 kids—to Southern California to be interviewed. We had a blast. And the two programs we recorded ultimately impacted scores, if not hundreds or even thousands, of families around the world, especially about the challenging area of making Jesus the Lord of our family size. We share some of that impact on this podcast.

Note: because the program with Jim was for the radio, after Marcia and I give a brief intro, like we did in Part 1, most of the rest of what you will experience will be audio not video. But, regardless, I'm quite sure that what is said will still touch your heart and life as it continues to touch ours even as we listen again. ALL glory to God alone!