In this third chat with author and broadcaster Frank McGroarty, the discussion covers How Do You Get the Donkey Up the Stairs, the final book in the Butlins, Ayr trilogy.

A former ballroom dancer as well as Butlins Redcoat, Frank also went on to develop a career as a full time print journalist writing for major news publications.  He is also to be found on Indlive.radio hosting his weekly music show The Late Lunchtime Experience which you can listen to every Tuesday at 4pm on indylive.radio, or listen on demand on our Mixcloud channel.