Jamie is one of the most talented bag makers there is. Jamie and I discuss how things are changing with how we should communicate with our clients. Jamie teaches us how she using a measuring technique that helps people feel more comfortable with their body. We discuss when its its a good time to share our views on world issues and when its better to keep our options to ourself. The conversation gets cut off a little short to technical issues, but we finish strong. Hope you enjoy this weeks podcast.