As the lyrics go, “breaking up is hard to do.”

That’s as true with newsrooms as it is with relationships.

Thankfully, not all breakups leave you sobbing in the corner with a Teddy bear.

“What Had Happened Was” podcast host Amelia Robinson sat down with Jana Collier, the freshly minted publisher of a newspaper and website group that includes Dayton.com, Dayton Daily News, the Springfield News Sun and the Journal News.

They talk about the shocking twists and turns that preceded the newspaper’s split from WHIO Radio, WHIO-TV and the rest of Cox Media Group.

In this episode, the pair talk about the future of the Dayton Daily News now that it is back in the hands of the Cox family, journalism, Jana’s not-so-secret secret obsession and pop-star dreams, why Daytonians really ought to love Dayton and telling the community’s stories through a year that saw the Klan, a mass shooting and 15 tornadoes come to the region.

The What Had Happened Was podcast is a product of Dayton.com recorded and edited in the DATV studios.