A Safe Place is out. It's the 3rd single from Jason's forthcoming new album The Grand Routine. 

Great friend of the show Rob Collier joins again to talk about the song, how it was written, songwriting, production, Andrew Carlson's bass playing, music marketing, etc etc. 

The two friends also try to define what type of music Jason's music is, what Soft Rock is, if lyrics matter at all, and more. 

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