February 24, 2025 ~ Lucy Ann Lance talks with Jason Hayes, Director of Energy and Environmental Policy, Mackinac Center for Public Policy. Line 5, which has been operational since 1953, has been a focal point of energy debates for years. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel are leading efforts to shut it down, citing environmental concerns. But no viable alternative for supplying energy to the region, which relies heavily on the pipeline for its energy needs, has been proposed.