In this week's episode John talks to Javier Argomaniz of the Handa Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence (CSTPV) at the University of East London. Javier discusses the role of the EU in counter-terrorism, the role of deterrence and backlash in relation to countering ETA, and the role which victims can and do play in the development and dissemination of counter-narratives.

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