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In this episode, we chat with the author of Ethnographic Thinking, Jay Hasbrouck. We go through what ethnographic thinking is and how it should be applied to inform richer contextual insights for design teams and how designers have abused or misunderstood ethnography and even touch on some retail rituals in the US and talk about how going off-piste in Jay's research plan in Japan led him to a shoe hotel and all the rich insights about the culture that followed.

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