Jeffrey Tacklind joins me on the podcast this week as we look at The Winding Path of Transformation. It's the title of his new book, and it's also a truth that we understand when we are on that path. Tacklind describes spiritual transformation as an invitation to paradox. It includes suffering, and through that, we find joy. Sometimes—even often—the transformational path is a downward path, and hence, a paradox. Tacklind says that it's about finding yourself between glory and humility.