Jen Elizabeth is an author, activist, and co-founder of Sober Mom Squad. We talk about abstinence versus harm-reduction, the power of listening, working with the houseless community, substance use disorder versus substance abuse, the definition of the word "abuse," the importance of language, her experience of being unhoused for 15 years, going to prison, getting sober in prison, decriminalizing drug use, why prison made her want to live, the pros and cons of 12 step groups, shame and finding hope. 

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