In the midst of total burnout, Jen Fisher was ready to step away from her career at Deloitte. But instead: A compassionate manager truly listened to Jen’s needs, giving her the time and space to re-envision her career in a way that served her. Now: Jen’s the first-ever chief well-being officer at Deloitte, leading the firm’s US health and wellness program for more than 100,000 professionals. In this episode, Jen talks with Marah and Naomi about her burnout journey, how vulnerability can help leaders build psychological safety in the workplace, and why we should all challenge the notion of “work-life balance.”

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