Jennifer asks John what it was like growing up in Montana. What was his greatest failure. Why  he isn't a Priest, and they both learn that their fathers were in the Unites States Merchant Marine. Then John forgets to tell Jenifer that he, also, is a Master (CAPT) in the Unites States Merchant Marine. 

In up-coming podcast, John has conversations with CAPT Don Martin - Lawyer and Master Upon Oceans. Former Director of U.S. Operations for ConocoPhillips. The value of commercial shipping and why they both John and Don started writing.