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DeCruz has a conversation with Dr. Kristin Du Mez, the author of Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation.  They talk about the history of white evangelicalism in America and how much the past is responsible for the present.  Du Mez is a history professor at Calvin University in Grand Rapids, Michigan. She is also the last Big Brown Army guest of 2020!