(This podcast was recorded in February prior to John leaving on his national book tour, which was cancelled shortly after it began due to the corona virus pandemic. John is sheltering at home on the Central Coast of California and sends his blessing to everyone at this difficult time.) John Dear talks about Jesus stating the way he lived during his time was totally nonviolent. He resisted the Roman empire just as we should be resisting the empire of war and death we live in now. Dear speaks about the peace movements going on in the country like Fire Drill Fridays with Jane Fonda and the 3000 participants across the country in last year's week of nonviolence actions around International Peace Day. He states "we need to be a global movement now!" Dear explains nonviolent resistance as us "cooing like a dove and hissing like a snake, but not hurting anyone." We are existing under the demons of apathy and complacency, but if we took up the "cross" like Jesus did nonviolently we would find out that we have already won. Through Jesus' campaign of nonviolence we have been given the power if we claim it.