In their usual, insightful, heartfelt conversations about religion and politics, Paul (a licensed minister and former pastor) and Ashley (former Mayor of Fresno, CA) share about seeing the story of spiritual hero Lonnie Frisbee portrayed in a movie on the big screen and reckoning with their own religious and spiritual history.

It's an honest conversation about pain and joy and desiring a true relationship with heaven/divine/supernatural, rather than the exclusive, religious pathway they've known from their family heritage.

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