I talk with Euphomet podcaster Jim Perry about the experience of opening yourself to the unreal. Topics include: the crossovers between paganism & Christianity, Robert Anton Wilson's concept of "the Chapel Perilous," the risk of losing yourself, forming loose opinions, the necessity of our participation, John Keel, truth?, the flexibility of strange phenomena, Gray Barker, tricksters, synchronicities, non-consensus reality, Whitley Strieber, Aleister Crowley, Lam, and the Greys.