In this episode, John is joined by long-time friend and missionary to Ireland, Pastor Jim Schmitt! John and Jim talk about Jesus' example of what Godly leadership looks like, focusing especially on the important quality of humility! This is the second of a two-part conversation with Jim, and both episodes are full of wisdom, heart, and inspiring insight!

To learn more about the Schmitt family's church in Limerick, Ireland at www.wocc.ie!